So I just ordered alcohol from a beauty website and it has just arrived, but the bottle says that it is only 70% 32 oz = $ 17 at your local hardware store. ... To brush shellac successfully you want to flow on thin coats. Previously I got Mr. … It does not dry instantly as denatured alcohol even though it may appear dry on the surface but smear your finger or even a rag over the … Best solvent for shellac is and always has been ethanol alcohol, not methanol alcohol. Absolute isopropyl alcohol may only be available with a permit. Denatured alcohol is a general alcohol-based solvent used for a variety of applications across many industries. In Australia, Shellite and naphtha are one and the same. It has to be 99% IPA, though. Keep in mind that tung oil has a really strong smell. No. But it is made poisonous so it can be sold without liquor taxes. Ive heard this before from an old timer who used to work as a finisher back in his day, and I dismissed it as rubbish. In fact, I’d use it anyway. Notice the little shelf in the bottom of the last picture. Sometimes it is known as “Methylated spirits” or “wood alcohol”. I think some finishes and some woods don’t work well together, meaning that the finish brings unattractive colors out of the wood. To make a '1 Pound Cut', mix 4 Oz. No one seemed to be able to answer whether it’s fine to use it with shellac, so I went ahead and mixed a small amount and the answer is YES, it’s fine to use 99% isopropyl alcohol to mix shellac. I don’t think the motion matters as much, and I’ve seen people go in straight lines; the important thing is to make sure you never leave the applicator in one spot because it’ll stick and mess up the finish. My understanding is that the citrus solvent will work to counter the smell, so if you were to use tung oil on something that needs to be food safe, it’s a good idea to use citrus solvent. Alternatives are Isopropyl Alcohol (isopropanol or rubbing alcohol, the 99% pure version), Methyl Hydrate (methanol or wood alcohol), Ethyl Alcohol (ethanol or grain alcohol), or in a pinch, Mineral Spirits. You can call them and they actually answer the phone and answer whatever questions you might have. By abitfishy in forum NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH WOODWORK, By karlkuehn in forum WOODTURNING - PEN TURNING, By weisyboy in forum WOODTURNING - GENERAL. It is called "rubbing" alcohol because it has a smooth, almost oily, feel when rubbed on the skin. This website and its content is copyright of U-Beaut Enterprises. Choose the right solution for your purposes and always use care, as both can damage wood if you don't use them properly. It does not dry instantly as denatured alcohol even though it may appear dry on the surface but smear your finger or even a rag over the brushed surface youll see thats still very much wet. Various types of food-grade shellac arrive from pharmaceutical glaze which is an alcohol-based solution. It contains more than 30% of free wax alcohol with chain length of C 28 –C 32. Rubbing Alcohol Rubbing alcohol. So instead I went the route of French polishing, which is really not as hard as people make it sound. Butyl Acetate, Nitrocellulose, Trimethyl Pentanyl Diisobutyrate, Isopropyl Alcohol, Adipic Acid/Neopentyl Glycol/Trimellitic Anhdride Copolymer, Alcohol Denat, Sucrose Acteate isobutyrate, Acrylates Copolymer, Benzophenone-1, Water, CI 17200, CI 42090, CI 60725 BCC12-Base. For finish coats, thin 1 part 4-pound shellac with 2 parts alcohol. At the same time, a coat or two of tung oil could be nice to use under another finish just to give the wood a bit of a color and help the grain pop. 5. Condition nails with SolarOil Nail & Cuticle Care. #15 Dee on 04.06.13 at 7:08 pm (I got my flakes from shellac.net). Isopropyl rubbing alcohol is no good for thinning shellac because it contains about 30% water. D4581B59-42D6-4CE5-8C02-939BA38F00DE.jpeg, Where to get 100% denatured absolute alcohol. Isopropyl alcohol, or rubbing alcohol, is primarily used as a disinfectant and is also toxic to drink. Rubbing alcohol is isopropyl alcohol. I use a magnetic stirring gizmo. Seal the free edge and apply a layer of CND Shellac Luxe Top Coat to all five nails. in 1/4 gallon). They recommend using citrus solvent to thin their oil, but being a cheapskate I thought maybe 99% isopropyl would work, and they were positive that it would. appearing. Isopropyl alcohol is concentrated isopropanol that has been blended with anywhere between 5% and 30% water. Difference in Toxicity. Staining shellac seems to be something that people do, but it hasn’t worked for me. I'm not entirely sure how methanol is produced, but importantly methanol is poisonous which is why it is mixed with a bittering agent to make it taste horrible. For those who don't know Everclear is grain alcohol that can be bought in a liquor in the US. If you have decided to make your own nail Polish thinner at home, the no 1 household ingredient that will do the trick is rubbing alcohol (of at least 91% purity). *when used as directed Ingredients. To cut a lengthy story short, Isopropyl is great for beginners who want to apply shellac with a brush. Follow with CND® SHELLAC® Top Coat. I think it did, because the oil seeped into the wood, but this was my first time using tung oil, so who knows. You must Fewer layers of tung oil will result in the piece looking less orange and yellow – just look at the rack vs. the shelf. As you can see, it’s orange and yellow and the edges look burnt. HARD SHELLAC - New improved formula finish. Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol, or ethane (a two carbon molecule, as you surely know with some toxins added by … The best way is to apply it in an area where no sunlight can come in. Water will slow the evaporation rate. Unlike denatured alcohol, IPA is toxic in itself. You may not, except with our express written permission, distribute or commercially exploit the content. participate. Remove in 60 seconds. Most people use denatured alcohol, but since it’s toxic, I decided to look into 99% isopropyl alcohol. The varnish tung oil is fine, but it’s made of chemicals that are toxic, and if you can’t finish outside or in a well ventilated shop, then you really shouldn’t use it. Denatured alcohol is critical for dissolving shellac flakes and for thinning liquid shellac to reduce brush marks and orange peel. Thinned shellac is recommended for sealer coats. People also seem to use some kind of oil to lubricate the applicator and that seems like a good idea – I tore a hole through my sock applicator. The Zinsser product, which is available everyone, is fine. It was made from the same slab of birch plywood, but it didn’t have as many layers of tung oil. Summary. I didn’t let my shelf dry for more than a day, and after that long weekend it had marks all over it. or Isopropyl alcohol is more effective at removing stains from wood furniture. In fact, you won’t see a difference after the first application or two, but it’s worth it because it looks really nice and even at the end. Just remember that commercial "metho" can contain up to 50% water. I have been doing Shellac manicures and I have found that after I do the top coat and wipe with 70% isopropyl alcohol, it still looks dull and uneven. The steps are simple and as follows: Take a dropper or pour a few drops of the alcohol to the nail polish you want to thin out. Shellac will dissolve in any alcohol, including watery alcohol, but if you don't know and can't reproduce the solvent mix, you'll get pretty unpredictable results. Apply the top coat. In fact, you can dissolve shellac flakes in alkaline water (hat … Then there’s real tung oil which is an actual oil, made from a nut, and needs to be cut with citrus solvent or it’ll never dry. And I’ve put a lot of dye into that shellac! Isopropyl Alcohol 100% or Denatured Alcohol for Shellac? I wasn’t happy with the way the finish turned out. There’s a handy chart here that helps you through the math for smaller portions. I promised to write about Shellac and tung Oil after I finished my rack (the first one), so here it is. Rubbing alcohol is either isopropyl alcohol or ethanol-based liquids, or the comparable British Pharmacopoeia (BP) defined surgical spirit, with isopropyl alcohol products being the most widely available.Rubbing alcohol is denatured and undrinkable even if it is ethanol-based, due to the bitterants added.. Alcohol is used as shellac thinner. One kind is really a varnish, like Fromby’s tung oil, or any other kind of tung oil you can get at the hardware store. I should mention that this post is not about which finish is better as much as it is about my experience with each one. Drinking methanol tends to send people blind. It is very important to think about the solvent used to dissolve the shellac. Shellac can be used over any stain except alcohol-base types and over any filler. The shelf looks better because it didn’t have as many applications of oil. I actually got woozy from applying it at home even with the windows open. The water will cause the shellac to turn white, or “blush.”. It also comes on too thick. It doesn’t look as bad in the first three pictures with the oil on, but in the last one, which was taken under a lower light, it looks pretty bad, but even that is quite flattering. Also some of the colors look uneven after i'm done, I recently got the color "gotcha" and it with 2 coats i can still see some streaks. It was practically black! I use a cheesecloth wrapped in cotton fabric (old sock, old t-shirt), I get a bunch of shellac on it and rub it on the wood in circular motion. mix 5 parts 70% Isopropyl Alcohol with 2 parts 99% Isopropyl Alcohol to achieve 91%; plus a few drops of retarder (why mix if you find it straight?) That’s why I went for the real tung oil which is made of safe materials. THIS IS YOUR FIRST VISIT - PLEASE NOTE: The cut refers to how many pounds of shellac flake are dissolved in a gallon of alcohol. of dry shellac flake into 1 quart of denatured alcohol (1/4 lb. Mixing shellac is very simple. Just a note, but Isopropyl alcohol is quite toxic in comparison to ethyl alcohol (ethanol), as is methyl alcohol (methanol). Diggers also produced a "Stove Fuel" which was nearer to 100% Ethanol, but I can no longer find it listed on their site. That’s what happened with the tung oil and Baltic birch. I wouldn’t hesitate to use tung oil on a cutting board, wood bowl, wooden spoon, etc. The regulating agencies responsible for this removal are the Air Quality Management District (AQMD) and the South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD), the five counties around Los Angeles. As far as application: I tried applying shellac with a brush and it’s a pain, mostly because I get brush marks on the wood and can’t seem to apply it evenly. 3. The wood looked unnaturally yellow and orange, and the grain popped out but in a weird and unflattering way. You can, of course, easily thin down a thick shellac. #14 Laurie on 12.23.12 at 10:20 pm You have to apply shellac away from any type of UV light because that is what cures the shellac. Now, I hear it again and I wonder if Im the one who has been fed all these years of rubbish. It doesn’t seem to make a difference when French polishing, and even with a brush it barely changes the color of the wood. My question is inspired from a recent article from Lost art press on mixing shellac. Alcohol is a natural substance that manufacturers can chemically adjust for a variety of purposes. Denatured alcohol is used for thinning shellac and cleaning brushes used to apply shellac. I’d like to elaborate on that. Although isopropyl alcohol is classified as a toxic substance, meaning that it is dangerous to consume and behaves as a mild skin irritant, it is mostly safe to use. The lady at the chemist said they are not allowed to sell it and I have tried hardware stores etc without any luck. Denatured alcohol is a type of alcohol that has something added to prevent people from drinking it. It can also be used to remove light pencil marks on wood. Remove the top film with a plastic-backed, lint-free pad saturated with 99% isopropyl alcohol. This means that while it’ll protect (and seal, I think) the wood, you will still be able to feel the grain underneath. When I was looking into tung oil I learned that there are two kinds of tung oil. It’s not a clear, hard finish that comes between the wood and the environment, so think of what you’re making, its application, and whether or not tung oil would work for it. You can always thin out pre-made shellac by adding denatured alcohol. Re: Thinning Shellac Mike, If my memory of some rather long-ago chemistry classes has not totally failed me, methyl hydrate is a common name for methyl alcohol It is methane (natural gas) with one hydrogen replaced by a "hydrate" group, or simply, an -OH group. Shake to blend. Detail with the Brisa™ ProSeries Gel Brush dipped in 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (IPA) to perfect the smile line. Probably even one minute. 91% Isopropyl Alcohol with a few drops of retarder. Oil based paints thin with mineral spirits while denatured alcohol is used to thin shellac and “spirit varnishes”, these are not interchangeable. This is where denatured alcohol vs. isopropyl alcohol comes in. While many prefer a “two-pound cut,” I prefer to apply more thin coats than a few thick coats. It also contains a small amount of hydrocarbons and about 1% lactic acid [61,62]. In a different light and with some shellac. 99% isopropyl alcohol is a good substitute but its drying time is longer than denatured alcohol. The higher the shellac ratio, the thicker the solution will be. However, it’s still soft for a few days, so if you place items on your shellaced piece, those items will leave marks. The solution should be kept in a plastic or glass container, but not metal. Sometimes it is known as “Methylated spirits” or “wood alcohol”. Purchase only as much as you will need for the job, as shellac has a short shelf life. That is one pound of shellac per 1 gallon of Everclear. However, I saw a video of Paul Sellers applying stained shellac, and his looked pretty thick (and also heavily tinted), so if you’re after staining shellac, a thick cut would be a good place to start. Although isopropyl alcohol is classified as a toxic substance, meaning that it is dangerous to consume and behaves as a mild skin irritant, it is mostly safe to use. In England, the term, methylated spirits, sounds like methanol. Denatured Alcohol. No. I use a 1lb cut and I really like it because it’s so thin. I got the idea to finish my rack in tung oil from a friend who builds Dietz cabs out of baltic birch ply and uses tung oil to finish them. "Metho" is an abbreviation for methanol -- it is not ethanol (although ethanol plus a bittering agent is mostly sold as "metho"). To cut a lengthy story short, Isopropyl is great for beginners who want to apply shellac with a brush. IF These are the smaller alcohols in the series with two or three carbons. Use denatured alcohol to thin shellac; use alcohol or ammonia for cleanup. No one seemed to be able to answer whether it’s fine to use it with shellac, so I went ahead and mixed a small amount and the answer is YES, it’s fine to use 99% isopropyl alcohol to mix shellac. After heating of the cocoon-like secretions until the liquification, it’s strained and cooled in thin sheets. Unlike denatured alcohol, IPA is toxic in itself. 32 oz 91% + 16 oz 70% + 10 oz lacquer thinner + 2 drops of retarder. Professional furniture manufacturers use denatured alcohol to remove old, peeling and yellowing finishes. Chris Schwarz in short uses Everclear to dissolve the shellac flakes as opposed to denatured alcohol for reason being that everclear dissolves the flakes completely while the latter doesn't. 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